Showing posts with label pension records. Show all posts
Showing posts with label pension records. Show all posts

Saturday, 1 November 2014

Irish pension applications and census fragments

The following article was first published on 2 AUG 2013 on my other blog, Genealogy: Walking in Eternity (www.walkingineternity.blogspot.co.uk), where it has by far been the most popular post of all time since that blog was first started in 2010. It is here reproduced and updated to reflect more recent developments. Enjoy!

Irish pension applications and census fragments

In 1908 the Old Age Pension Act was introduced into the United Kingdom, providing a pension for the first time to those aged over 70 years of age. The key thing for any applicant before being able to make an application was to prove they were the right age. In England and Wales - no problem, civil registration was implemented in 1837. In Scotland, civil registration was implemented in 1855, so a few folk unable to find birth records did need to find proof of age from other sources - it was for this reason that the 1841 and 1851 Scottish censuses were returned from Westminster to Scotland in 1910.

In Ireland, where civil registration of births did not commence until 1864, the censuses and the parish records also became essential tools to help prove age. A tragedy in Irish genealogy is that the censuses were later destroyed, but the information extracted by pension claimants from the documents has survived, and can be extremely useful if consulted. Some information is online - but the online material, whilst incredibly helpful, is incomplete, and can even be misleading if not understood in context.

Last year I discovered that an application for my three times great grandfather Arthur Taylor in Belfast existed. I had sourced an index entry for it from the excellent Ireland Genealogy website at www.ireland-genealogy.com, which charges £2 for a look up. (It's important to note that additional material is also available on Ancestry, in two collections called 1841/1851 Census Abstracts, one for Northern Ireland, the other for the Republic, so do check both). The following details were noted for Arthur in the return.

The first two details were a 'Source Film ID' and an 'Ireland Gen ID'. The index was obviously created from a microfilm or fiche, and the entry given a new number by the Ireland Genealogy folk. His name was then given as Arthur TAYLOR, and his parents as Arthur TAYLOR and Bella HALL. His place of residence was the townland of Belfast, in the parish of Shankhill, but nothing was listed beside the field marked 'Barony'. The age of the applicant was noted as 69-70. The following fields then appeared as follows

1841 Census:
1851 Census:  Fd
Observation:   1851 Found Arthur & Ann Taylor. Married
18?9.

The first thing to note here is that an application exists - brilliant, well worth £2 alone to find that out! When an applicant required proof of age, he or she could ask the Public Record Office of Ireland, as it was back then in Dublin, to check the 1841 or 1851 censuses, on the basis of information supplied by the applicant, to see if he or she could be found. My initial interpretation of the above therefore was that Arthur was found in the 1851 census - brilliant again! - and that there was also an Ann Taylor present. I wondered if this might be a sister? The marriage date had a question mark, but did not match what I knew so far, so equally raised a question mark with me. The other deduction I made was that if Arthur was 69-70, he must have made his application in about 1917 or 1918, as I knew he was born in 1848.  However, with question marks on Ann, and the stated date of marriage, I decided to look up the original record in Belfast on a visit to PRONI. It was then that I discovered that not everything was quite as it seemed...!

The original pension application books for Belfast, and indeed Northern Ireland, are held at PRONI, but not as microfilmed copies, which I had assumed, but the original "O.A.P. 37" schedule forms. The first discovery I made therefore was that the Source Film ID reference on the Ireland Genealogy site apparently had no relevance to PRONI's holdings at all. Instead, I had to look up a series of microfiche indexes held in the archive's self-service area, and once Arthur's name was found, to then note a Volume and Page number. The next thing I apparently needed to know was the barony in which Arthur had lived - the one detail of course not provided in the transcript! But as it was Belfast, one of the archivists suggested ordering up two books using the PRONI catalogue, one for Belfast, the other a sort of mopping up collection of miscellaneous entries from Belfast and Carrickfergus.

Within 15 minutes I had the two books. The first thing I noticed, however, was that the pages in the books were not numbered, only the applications. The detail for Arthur Taylor noted his application was in Volume 3 and Page 324 - but there were only 315 applications in the book. There was also no index in the book, nothing to try to work out how to convert the microfiche reference to what was before me. Within the next 15 minutes, I had had a few conversations with some of the staff, and it was soon realised that the page number reference was actually irrelevant (one of the staff remembered this being discovered some time back). There was only one thing for it then - I started at the front, and slowly worked my way through, one application at a time... In fact, I was extremely lucky. Arthur's application was number 14, out of 315. The information I found, however, was not quite as expected, and much more detailed.

The following initial details were provided for the search:

No. of claim:  14444
Census requested: 1851
Claimant:          Arthur Taylor
Father:             Arthur Taylor
Mother:            Bella Hall

Exact address of the family when census was taken -
Place:              Abbey Street near Peter’s Hill
Townland:       Belfast
Parish:             Shankill
County:           Antrim

Age on claim:  69-70
Observations:  Fam not found

"Fam not found"?!!! Woah, lots going on! Arthur had asked the officer to look up his family in the 1851 census, believing he had been resident at Abbey Street, near Peter's Hill in Belfast. But far from being found, the officer noted that he had not been. So what can be deduced from this? Arthur was aged three in 1851. He perhaps believed that he had been there when the census was taken, when he hadn't - but it almost certainly suggests that at some point around that time his family was resident there. The entry further notes that two census volumes had been consulted, numbers 241 and 307 - sadly now non-existent.

But that wasn't the end of it. Arthur had also mentioned that in his childhood at some point he had "lived with grandfather, also Arthur Taylor". Yes!!! As a working theory I was fairly sure that his grandfather was also an Arthur Taylor, but this was now the proof. But grandfather Arthur was also listed for a reason - the officer was advised subsequently to "Try McLelland’s Entry or Lime Street", and then in pencil was added in brackets "Try McLellands Lane or McLellands Entry". Noted beside this was the following - "Found Arthur and Ann Taylor married 1819, no trace of claimant". So my three times great grandfather Arthur Taylor was still missing - but because he was so hard to find, I now know that my five times great grandparents were found, in volume 295, and not only that, but were married in 1819 (the loss of the Irish censuses is all the more tragic in that these questions were asked, unlike their equivalents in Britain). This was also the first time I had found the first name of my five times great grandmother, Ann (assuming this wasn't a second wife!)!

The final attempts to find Arthur suggested looking for him at Cargill Street, Upper Cargills Street, Upper or Carguill Court or Cargill Court. The officer replied - "not identified". This was possibly a desperate last attempt, as the family had indeed spent many years at Upper Cargill Street from the late 1850s on.

Finally, one last detail - the Deputy Keeper of Public Record Office of Ireland made his reply to the pension office on 3 MAY 1918, confirming that the application was indeed in early 1918. My three times great grandfather Arthur Taylor, far from being found, as had been suggested in the online index, in fact never was (at least on this attempt). The entry does note two other application numbers in the margin, 1738 and 3190, in red, but I have no way to check if these were follow up applications, or perhaps entries relating to relatives who later applied and were found, with the detail perhaps cross-referred to Arthur? Who knows?

What the above shows is many things.

a) Some pre-1911 census information has survived - Irish genealogy is not all gloom and doom! You just need to be a bit more creative in establishing options.
b) Online indexes need to be understood as a starting point - but always follow up with consulting the original.
c) Published indexes on microfiche can be equally as bad as anything you will find online!

There were issues with both Ireland Genealogy indexes and the PRONI microfiche - neither provided enough detail to get me to the original entry on their own. At the same time, however, the above research would not have been possible without them, despite the issues raised. And thanks to them, I now know even more about a branch of my family that goes back to the late 1700s in Belfast at least!

UPDATE: What this article dealt with when originally published last year were the pension application books held at PRONI in Belfast (www.proni.gov.uk). Many additional records for the north, however, are also included in the pension application records as held at the National Archives of Ireland. These records in Dublin have since been digitised and are now freely accessible at http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp. Bear in mind also that sometimes letters to local ministers asking for proof of age may be found on some church records microfilms - for a list of those records available at PRONI visit www.proni.gov.uk/guide_to_church_records.pdf.

Not only that, but some additional surviving census fragments from 1821-1851 have also been digitised and made freely available at www.census.nationalarchives.ie - particularly useful for Co. Londonderry in 1831 and much of Co. Antrim in 1851.

If you are just starting out with your family history research, my book, Tracing Your Irish Family History on the Internet, should help you to locate many of the key resources to help you get under way - not least of which some of the resources digitised and made available online by bodies such as PRONI, the National Archives of Ireland, the National Archives at Kew, and more.

The book is available from publisher Pen and Sword in paperback, Kindle and ebook editions. For a free 13 page preview - and to order a copy - visit www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Tracing-Your-Irish-History-on-the-Internet/p/3889/.

Chris

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Sunday, 5 October 2014

Military Service (1916-1923) Pensions Collection phase 2 released

Ireland's Military Archives (www.militaryarchives.ie) has released the second phase of its Military Service (1916-1923) Pensions Collection (MSPC). The collection details the service given by members of the Old IRA and the original Free State Army during this period, as well as other groups, who were involved in the armed struggle that saw Ireland eventually freed from its 120 year membership of the United Kingdom, and the civil war that ensued shortly after.

From the site:

Phase 2 from the MSPC consists of files relating to 1,158 veterans of the period from Easter Week 1916 to 30 September 1923. In addition there are 77 files dealing with administration matters and the process of awarding pensions under the Act, 1934.

The full story is available at www.militaryarchives.ie/news-events/single-view/article/military-servicepensions-collection-2nd-release?cHash=72decb04c9387933dd423913bf1eac92

Chris

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Thursday, 8 May 2014

Did your Irish ancestor apply for a pension whilst abroad?

I've been having a general look at the 1841/1851 Census Search forms used to prove age for the Irish based Old Age Pension applications from 1909 onwards, now available at http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/, and have figured out a few facts and figures that may be of interest. The following are not definitive, because the database has quite a few transcription errors and abbreviations in play, but it does give a rough estimation of how widespread the applicants were, and how useful the database may be for the Irish diaspora as well as for those with ancestors in Ireland.

Total number of applications: 33991

Ireland - broken down by county, in alphabetical order:

Antrim (2085), Armagh (1135), Carlow (95), Cavan (1980), Clare (1110), Cork (652), Donegal (1963), Down (1980), Dublin (283), Fermanagh (1218), Galway (2687), Kerry (1401), Kildare (159), Kilkenny (239), King's (367), Leitrim (942), Limerick (681), Londonderry (1096), Longford (348), Louth (353), Mayo (2998), Meath (359), Monaghan (899), Queen's (137), Roscommon (1072), Sligo (968), Tipperary (387), Tyrone (1400), Wexford (518), Waterford (295), Westmeath (228), Wicklow (134)


Ireland - broken down by county, in order of most applications to least:

Mayo (2998), Galway (2687), Antrim (2085), Cavan (1980), Down (1980), Donegal (1963), Tyrone (1400), Fermanagh (1218), Armagh (1135), Clare (1110), Londonderry (1096), Kerry (1401), Roscommon (1072), Sligo (968), Leitrim (942), Monaghan (899), Limerick (681), Cork (652), Wexford (518), Tipperary (387), King's (367), Meath (359), Louth (353), Longford (348), Waterford (295), Dublin (283), Kilkenny (239), Westmeath (228), Kildare (159), Queen's (137), Wicklow (134), Carlow (95)


Not all applicants were in Ireland, however - far from it:
  • Number of applicants including the word 'Scotland' in the address: 387
  • Number of applicants including the word 'England' in the address: 263
  • Number of applicants including the word 'Wales' in the address: 40
  • Number of applicants including the word 'Australia' in the address: 87
  • Number of applicants including the words 'New Zealand' in the address: 46 (of which, 27 for the New Zealand High Commission in London)
  • Number of applicants including the word 'Canada' in the address: 8
  • Number of applicants including the words 'South Africa' in the address: 5

Unfortunately, these numbers are actually a gross misrepresentation of the true numbers applying for a pension overseas beyond Ireland, as there are many applications naming addresses with cities but not the country. For example, a search on the city of Glasgow returns some 603 applications, Edinburgh has 626 returns, Dundee 47, Ayr 4, Aberdeen 1, London circa 410, Birmingham 43, Manchester 219, Bristol 13, Cardiff 18, Swansea 5, and so on.

NB: Many British based entrants have 'LGB' in their address, as in 'LGB Scotland' - this is short for 'Local Government Board'. Other transcription errors include Coatbridge as 'Cootbridge', Wishaw as 'Mishaw', Dumbartonshire as 'Dumbertonshire', etc. Australia is sometimes down as 'Ans' instead of 'Aus' as an abbreviation also.

Number of applicants with a United States address - this one's a bit more complex, as the entries have been transcribed as USA, U S A, and others. The following is the result of a search by individual state, fully spelled out (and 1 federal district), which provided the following:

California (5), Colorado (2), Connecticut (4), Delaware (1), Illinois (7), Indiana (2), Iowa (2), Kansas (1), Kentucky (1), Maryland (1), Massachusetts (7), Michigan (2), Missouri (1), Nebraska (1), New Jersey (15), New York (50), North Dakota (2), Ohio (3), Oklahoma (2), Pennsylvania (4), Tennessee (1), Texas (1), Utah (2), Washington [DC] (1) and Wisconsin (4).
122 in total

Again, this is an underestimate, as there are many entries with abridged state names - e.g. 'Mass' for Massachussetts (another 37 entries), 'Massachusettes' for Massachusetts (1 entry), 'Penria' for Pennsylvania (1 entry), 'Winconsin' for Wisconsin (1), and many other variants.

If your Irish ancestor emigrated, it's plain to see that the database may well be worth a shot for additional information that may have been found from the 1841 or 1851 censuses.


UPDATE: More stats:

Australia:

Queensland (35), New South Wales (21) - and another 9 for 'N S W', 3 for 'New South Walls' and another 8 for 'N S Wales', Victoria (2) - also 19 more for 'Victoria, Australia', South Australia (4), Western Australia (6) - and one for 'Perth W Australia'.

Also, 2 applications from France (Marseilles and Rhone), and 4 from the Isle of Man.

Chris

Now available for UK research is the new second edition of the best selling Tracing Your Family History on the Internet: A Guide for Family Historians. And for those wishing to take Scottish ancestral research a bit further, my next Pharos course, Scotland 1750-1850: Beyond the Old Parish Records, commences May 14th 2014.

Thursday, 17 April 2014

Irish census fragments and pension search records to go online shortly

Claire Santry has announced on her Irish Genealogy News blog that the National Archives of Ireland will be simultaneously releasing (for free) its digitised images of surviving pre-1901 Irish census fragments, and Old Age Pension census search application forms, utilising data from the 1841 and 1851 censuses, on three sites on April 28th 2014 - www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie, FindmyPast Ireland and FamilySearch.

I had an amazing piece of good fortune last year with the pension applications, allowing me to discover the identity of my five times great grandfather, via his grandson's application in 1918, which utilised census data from 1851 - you can read the full story at http://walkingineternity.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/irish-pension-applications-and-census.html.

(With thanks to Claire Santry)

Chris

Now available for UK research is the new second edition of the best selling Tracing Your Family History on the Internet: A Guide for Family Historians. And for those wishing to take Scottish ancestral research a bit further, my next Pharos course, Scotland 1750-1850: Beyond the Old Parish Records, commences May 14th 2014.

Thursday, 16 January 2014

First tranche of Irish Military Service Pension records online

The Military Archives website has now made available the Military Service Pensions Collection at www.militaryarchives.ie/collections/online-collections/military-service-pensions-collection, which when complete will contain 300,000 files relating to 60,000 individuals who fought during the Easter Rising and the War of Independence from 1916-1923. This first release, comprised of 9600 files, primarily, though not exclusively, concerns the Easter Rising of 1916 itself, as well as others involved in the independence movement and Civil War. In addition are files for those who served with the Connaught Rangers in the mutiny in Solon and Jalandhar, India on 28 June 1920, and a small number of payments to folk who stored weapons for organisations involved in the struggle, though who were not members of those groups themselves.

Included are the following:
  • Membership Rolls of the Irish Republican Army
  • Membership Rolls of Cumann na mBan
  • Membership Rolls of Fianna Eireann
  • Brigade Activity Files
  • Administration Files

The collection page notes the following:

Explore the many testimonies and accounts of the surviving leaders, the veterans and volunteers who took part in the historic events of the 1916 Rising, the War of Independence and Civil War, along with a plethora of supporting documentation gathered from the participants through the unique collection that is the Military Service (1916-1923) Pensions Collection. For the first time, the collection is being made available on a phased basis leading to 2016.

The files were created in response to the following legislation from the Irish governments in the south of Ireland:
  • The Army Pensions Acts from 1923 to 1953
  • The Military Service Pensions Acts, 1924, 1934 and 1949
To search the collections, visit www.militaryarchives.ie/collections/online-collections/military-service-pensions-collection/search-the-collection.

The BBC has a feature on the collection at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-25752035

NB: A database listing those who received the 1916 Medal, The Service (1917-1921) Medal, The 1916 Survivor’s Medal and the Truce Anniversary Medal will be available on the site in 2015.

UPDATE: Oh - my - God! I've just made one of the biggest discoveries since I started my family history research 14 years ago. I can't elaborate just yet, as I am not sure if is a well kept secret in the family that I have just found out about, or if it is genuinely not known about. But this new collection has turned out to provide information of game changing proportions - I suspect I now know why certain people in the family emigrated! A huge thank you to Military Archives for an astonishing resource.

Chris

My latest genealogy books are Tracing Your Family History on the Internet (2nd ed), Discover Scottish Civil Registration Records, and Tracing Your Irish Family History on the Internet. My next Pharos course is Scottish Research Online, which commences Feb 27th 2014, 5 weeks, price £45.99.

Thursday, 9 January 2014

Irish pension records offer extended

Ireland Genealogy (www.ireland-genealogy.com) has extended its offer to provide 100 record downloads for £10, as opposed to the normal price of £2 per look-up. The extension runs until Sunday 11th January. For details of the original offer visit my recent post at http://britishgenes.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/pension-applications-offer-from-ireland.html.

(With thanks to Ireland Genealogy)

Chris

My latest book, Discover Scottish Civil Registration Records, is now available from http://www.gould.com.au (print) and http://www.gen-ebooks.com/unlock-the-past.html (ebook), whilst Tracing Your Irish Family History on the Internet is available at http://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Tracing-Your-Irish-History-on-the-Internet/p/3889/.

Tuesday, 31 December 2013

Pension applications offer from Ireland Genealogy

From Ireland Genealogy, formerly Pensear.org, at www.ireland-genealogy.com:

It's been a good year for Ireland Genealogy, and thanks for all your support this year, and in previous years!

We have introduced new methods of searching on the site - including Soundex to match those difficult-to-find names, and we are also very near our target of transcribing the last few remaining areas of Ireland, and recovering the pension information that has been lost. We'll hopefully have some news on this soon!

And as this is the season of goodwill (and you probably have some holiday time on your hands for research) we have a special offer for you. For just £10.00, you will be able to download 100 documents from the site!

This is a big discount from the normal charge of £2.00 per download, and we hope that it will allow you to discover your missing ancestors in this, the only remaining records of the Irish Census years.

The offer will only be open for one week from today (31st), but you'll be able to use your special coupon code until the end of January.

Follow this link to purchase the coupon

http://www.ireland-genealogy.com/add_to_cart/100000-2014-new-years-offer.html

You will purchase a document that has your unique coupon code - use this code at the checkout to download your 100 census records!

COMMENT:  This site proved to be very useful for me earlier this year, in identifying a pension application for my three times great grandfather in Belfast, which upon consultation in PRONI revealed information from several 1851 census look ups that happily named many addresses where the family used to live, as well as crucial and new information on my five times great grandparents who I discovered married in 1819 - for more on this see my other blog at http://walkingineternity.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/irish-pension-applications-and-census.html

It should be noted that a major project from the National Archives in Dublin is shortly to place online free to access digitised Census Search Forms for the 1841 and 1851 censuses, used for pension applications purposes from 1908 onwards - these will appear at www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie. The records I consulted at PRONI were pension applications volumes (OAP Form 37s), not the census look-ups requested for them at the PRO in Dublin - essentially the other side of the conversation. I'm not as yet clear what the Ireland Genealogy site's index holdings for the Republic are at present, i.e. whether they are additional Form 37s requests or the PRO census look-up forms (green forms) about to go online.

Chris

My latest book, Discover Scottish Civil Registration Records, is now available from http://www.gould.com.au (print) and http://www.gen-ebooks.com/unlock-the-past.html (ebook), whilst Tracing Your Irish Family History on the Internet is available at http://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Tracing-Your-Irish-History-on-the-Internet/p/3889/.

Friday, 2 August 2013

Finding ancestors in Belfast's 1851 census

Yes, you read the post title correctly!

Yesterday I discovered that my five times great grandparents Arthur and Ann Taylor married in Belfast in 1819 - and all because their grandson, also Arthur Taylor, applied for a pension almost a century later in 1918.

Read the full account on my research blog at http://walkingineternity.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/irish-pension-applications-and-census.html

And remember, Irish genealogy is NOT all doom and gloom, it just takes a wee bit more creativity...! :)

Chris

My new book, Tracing Your Irish Family History on the Internet, is now available from Pen and Sword. My Scottish land and church records ebooks are available at http://www.gen-ebooks.com/unlock-the-past.html, whilst my next Pharos Scottish course, Scottish Research Online, starts Sep 4th - see http://pharostutors.com/details.php?coursenumber=102. Time to smash a few brick walls...!

Saturday, 16 February 2013

Ireland Genealogy pension application site adds more records

A message from the Ireland Genealogy data supplier, formerly known as "Pensear":

Over 6000 new records containing census details have been uploaded and added to the Ireland Genealogy database at www.ireland-genealogy.com.

The summary of counties which are contained within the new records are :

Antrim, Armagh, Clare, Cavan, Clare, Cork, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Kildare, Kings, Leitrim, Limerick, Londonderry, Longford, Tyrone

More records will be added shortly.

COMMENT:  The site hosts records that were transcribed from Irish pension applications from 1908 (though mainly from 1914-1922), where the information used for the application was originally extracted from the 1841 and 1851 censuses (which were subsequently destroyed). This collection contains material that differs from that found on Ancestry, also stated to be pension applications utilising census data, but gathered from different sources (Claire Santry has a good guide on this at www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/irish-pension-records.html which I cite in my new Irish book with some further details on online availability for the records, which can be found on many websites).

Unfortunately, the announcement from Ireland Genealogy gives no detail whatsoever as to what the new records are - I have emailed them, and if I get any further details I will bring it to this post in an update.

(With thanks to Ireland Genealogy)

Chris

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